core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

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core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by serendipitous » Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:11 pm

Y'all have been a lot of help.

The campaign is going pretty well, but I'm having trouble mastering the rules because I just hate picking up the core book. Yesterday I was doing pretty well, going over material in the back, and just got stopped by the cartoon at the bottom of the Humanoid Table on p.380.

I guess I probably come across as totally over-sensitive. Over-sensitized is probably more accurate. Cartoons like this one, and the one about armor, totally break immersion for me and I hate, hate them. This is not fantasy or fun for me. It is the nasty stuff in real life, it is what I want to avoid in a RPG. I have had senior scientists pretend to be interested in my work because they thought I was cute and wanted to spend time chatting with me. I've heard guys talk about women who are stupid and/or ugly but still fun to look at 'cause they're stacked. I've done the whole interview-outfit thing, knowing that women get dinged if they aren't cute enough and dinged if they are too cute. I've been grabbed, I've put up with nasty jokes while I was trying to work, I had a guy I didn't know grab me in an airport and forcibly kiss me, I've been ignored by guy friends when scantily clad women were around. It is not fun for me, it is not funny, I don't want to spend a second more dealing with it and one of the great blessings of being 47 years old is that I don't have to anymore.

I wish it were as not-okay to use women for eye candy as it is not-okay to racially stereotype. I wish that all the images of females in the DCC books were images of females that men would be willing to role-play around their daughters. Or mothers.

I thought I could do a good job judging for DCC but don't think I can because I just hate reading the rulebook. But I'm several sessions into my campaign, my players are a bit burned out (for reasons, not my stuff, I just started DMing for us) and they've put a lot into their characters. One especially LOVES DCC and that's why I am trying to run this. And they are getting a kick out of all their loot, they just acquired a semi-sentient sailing ship that uses its arms to scoot around the arctic on skis.

Any ideas? I'm really not trying to dump on the system or the producers, I just feel stuck. Am grateful for ideas. Maybe just slap post-its on everything, it is still not FUN to read the rulebook but that could prevent it from being horrid. I wish this were fun and restorative. Thanks in advance.
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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by Raven_Crowking » Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:16 pm

Find art you prefer. Print it on fairly thick paper or tab stock, at a size that matches the images you find offensive. Then, image by image, replace the art.
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Cathbad the Meek (herbalist Wizard 1): AC 9; 4 hp; S 7, A 7, St 10, P 17, I 13, L 8; Neutral; Club, herbs, 50' rope, 50 cp; -1 to melee attack rolls. Hideous scar.

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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by serendipitous » Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:21 pm

Raven_Crowking wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:16 pm
Find art you prefer. Print it on fairly thick paper or tab stock, at a size that matches the images you find offensive. Then, image by image, replace the art.
Well, that's clever and kind. Plus much, much better than post-its. Thank you for the actionable, effective idea.
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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by GnomeBoy » Tue Jul 14, 2020 6:54 am

If I were changing images in the book, those two cartoons would definitely be the top of the list. I can still remember first getting the book and looking through it in 2012 and thinking "really? now...?"
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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by Raven_Crowking » Tue Jul 14, 2020 12:12 pm

serendipitous wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 10:21 pm
Raven_Crowking wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 2:16 pm
Find art you prefer. Print it on fairly thick paper or tab stock, at a size that matches the images you find offensive. Then, image by image, replace the art.
Well, that's clever and kind. Plus much, much better than post-its. Thank you for the actionable, effective idea.
You are very welcome!
SoBH pbp:

Cathbad the Meek (herbalist Wizard 1): AC 9; 4 hp; S 7, A 7, St 10, P 17, I 13, L 8; Neutral; Club, herbs, 50' rope, 50 cp; -1 to melee attack rolls. Hideous scar.

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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by Jim Skach » Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:10 am

serendipitous wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:11 pm
I wish that all the images of females in the DCC books were images of females that men would be willing to role-play around their daughters.
I am the worst father ever.

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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by Vort » Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:27 am

You could take the PDF version of the book and get an editor/viewer that either allows you to toggle images off or delete images from the document. Won't be hardcopy but it'll quickly give you the rules without any art.
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Re: core book (images of women) really bad for me. Don't want players to lose their characters. Ideas?

Post by serendipitous » Sat Jul 18, 2020 5:16 pm

Thanks to everybody. Also, I realize that just because something drives me batty doesn't mean it is inherently flawed. I'm grateful for y'all's help.
Jim Skach wrote:
Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:10 am
serendipitous wrote:
Mon Jul 13, 2020 12:11 pm
I wish that all the images of females in the DCC books were images of females that men would be willing to role-play around their daughters.
I am the worst father ever.
:lol:
Vort wrote:
Thu Jul 16, 2020 6:27 am
You could take the PDF version of the book and get an editor/viewer that either allows you to toggle images off or delete images from the document. Won't be hardcopy but it'll quickly give you the rules without any art.
This is a terrific idea. Thanks!
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