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Mighty deeds of arms is a fun system and we use it a lot in my table. Recently, however, the thief in my group tried to trip a enemy, which I adjudicated as a luck check, but now I wonder what you think about those kind of situations.

Does allowing the other classes to perform deeds makes the warrior less especial and I should not allow it?

Or should I allow everyone to try anything? If so, how to adjudicate it in a way that the warrior is still the best in his job ?

Jackblock wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:10 pm Mighty deeds of arms is a fun system and we use it a lot in my table. Recently, however, the thief in my group tried to trip a enemy, which I adjudicated as a luck check, but now I wonder what you think about those kind of situations.

Does allowing the other classes to perform deeds makes the warrior less especial and I should not allow it?

Or should I allow everyone to try anything? If so, how to adjudicate it in a way that the warrior is still the best in his job ?

I allow anything the Player describes. I wouldn't give the Thief a Deed Die roll in that instance, but maybe ad hoc it with a Skill Check (DC 15, maybe) rather than a Luck Check.

Give them a lower die for a Deed if a non-fighter.

Bobjester wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:07 pm Give them a lower die for a Deed if a non-fighter.

I wouldn't go that route myself. At level 1, a Fighter has 1d3 for Deeds with 3 being the bar of success. Going any less would make deeds impossible for any other class. Something like tripping an opponent shouldn't be impossible. Maybe it's just my style as a Judge, but I think ad hoc DCs for attempts like this make the most sense.

dustle wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:15 pm

Bobjester wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 5:07 pm Give them a lower die for a Deed if a non-fighter.

I wouldn't go that route myself. At level 1, a Fighter has 1d3 for Deeds with 3 being the bar of success. Going any less would make deeds impossible for any other class. Something like tripping an opponent shouldn't be impossible. Maybe it's just my style as a Judge, but I think ad hoc DCs for attempts like this make the most sense.

A 1st level non-fighter wouldn't have the training to do a Deed at all. I think that's a good trade-off, because it doesn't take anything away from the fighter's ability.

Another option: Let them have the result of a 1d3 Deed Die, but the Deed Die *reduces* attack roll and damage.

Keep in mind -- the Deed is doing a thing and a full attack. You're smacking the target for full-on damage AND blinding them, or knocking them into their cohort, or whatever... The Deed is not being able to create a non-damaging effect, the Deed is doing an effect along with regular damage.

When anyone without a Deed Die wants to blind, trip, delay, and so on, that's an action that does no damage.

How you resolve that is down to the Judge, but I'd lean toward using an attack roll or a Save, employing the Dice Chain on that where it makes sense.

The important thing is, no matter what you decide, it should not be as good as (or better than) that Warrior's/Dwarf's Deed Die.

A warrior doing a trip deed would still do damage.
I think other classes trying to trip should be an opposed-strength check, and be instead of a regular attack.

Jackblock wrote: ↑Sat Jul 17, 2021 3:10 pm Mighty deeds of arms is a fun system and we use it a lot in my table. Recently, however, the thief in my group tried to trip a enemy, which I adjudicated as a luck check, but now I wonder what you think about those kind of situations.

Does allowing the other classes to perform deeds makes the warrior less especial and I should not allow it?

Or should I allow everyone to try anything? If so, how to adjudicate it in a way that the warrior is still the best in his job ?

Mighty deeds are really the prerogative of warriors. If other classes can use them, what fun is there to play a warrior ?

In the situation you describe, I would require from the rogue a full round just to trip his opponent. That’s all he would get to do and, unlike a warrior or a dwarf, he would not inflict damages on top of tripping his opponent.

To succeed, he would need to roll 1d20 + Dex modifier against his opponent highest between 10+Ref save or 10+Attack Bonus.

In DCC, while we have a Fortitude save for endurance, we are missing a save for raw feat of strength (a Brawn Save?). I house rule that by using a creature (pc or npc) attack modifier as a proxy because the stronger you are the harder you tend to hit in DCC and, unlike a direct utilisation of the STR modifier, it scales with your level like the rest of your saves.

With this approach all classes can still attempt to trip, grapple or shove their opponents except that they are far less efficient than warriors in doing so.

Tabulazero II wrote:In DCC, while we have a Fortitude save for endurance, we are missing a save for raw feat of strength (a Brawn Save?). I house rule that by using a creature (pc or npc) attack modifier as a proxy because the stronger you are the harder you tend to hit in DCC and, unlike a direct utilisation of the STR modifier, it scales with your level like the rest of your saves.

I really like this idea!