Re: The forgotten class...
Posted: Sat Apr 09, 2011 11:09 am
I like it because of that too.geordie racer wrote:The main reason I like Skillburn is that it promotes daring, the feature most common to the Appendix N thieves.
I like it because of that too.geordie racer wrote:The main reason I like Skillburn is that it promotes daring, the feature most common to the Appendix N thieves.
Maybe like how Jack of Shadows (high level Appendix N uber-thief) is empowered by the presence of shadows.Ravenheart87 wrote:Thieves should get tables for their skills! Ie.: with a really good Hide in Shadows check, tha thief is automatically transformed into a shadow ninja demon
I'm going between this and then just the idea of a class that is a Skillmonkey class. A general class that knows stuff and can do stuff but is more a-la-carte than Thieves in D&D.JRR wrote:I'd like to see the thief as a lightly armored mobile fighter. Maybe just trade any armor other than studded leather (or elven chain) and any weapon larger and heavier than a long sword for the various thieving skills and call it a day. He'd also need to lose the keep and replace it with a thieves guild. Oh and evasion needs to go. He's a thief, not a ninja.
Thank you. I happen to adore the class, myself.goodmangames wrote:I appreciate the suggestions and agree that the thief needs to feel more special. Just not sure yet how to do it.
geordie racer wrote:Actually looking over the Appendix N Thieves - are there any that don't use magic or powers ?
These are interesting questions, and perhaps it would be worth looking through Appendix N again to find examples of thieves so we can determine what kinds of traits they have in common.smathis wrote:JRR wrote:I think it would be nice for the Thief to be a "catch-all" sort of class that can fill in the holes that Wizard, Fighter and Cleric don't address.
Whereas I believe this is closer to Appendix N than the standard thief I don't like the idea of a jack-of-all-trades without a broad area of increasing expertise. Warriors get MDoAs and Wizards Spellburn, the Thief needs something as cool and useful. Something that differs from the D&D Thief that can apply in wilderness, city and dungeon. Which is why I prefer the skillmonkey (with skillburn) concept.finarvyn wrote:some fighting, some thievery, some magic.
After playing the thief some more, I think that a possible source of uniqueness for a thief is that they are more lucky than other classes. Because of that, they would gain luck much more quickly so they would be willing to burn luck to accomplish their skill checks.geordie racer wrote:Whereas I believe this is closer to Appendix N than the standard thief I don't like the idea of a jack-of-all-trades without a broad area of increasing expertise. Warriors get MDoAs and Wizards Spellburn, the Thief needs something as cool and useful. Something that differs from the D&D Thief that can apply in wilderness, city and dungeon. Which is why I prefer the skillmonkey (with skillburn) concept.finarvyn wrote:some fighting, some thievery, some magic.
Which brings up a question: In the playtest I was in, we had randomly determined classes, and of course, randomly determined stats.Hamakto wrote:After playing the thief some more, I think that a possible source of uniqueness for a thief is that they are more lucky than other classes. Because of that, they would gain luck much more quickly so they would be willing to burn luck to accomplish their skill checks.
goodmangames wrote: from a character creation point of view, stats are determined randomly (3d6 straight down the line), and the combination of multiple PCs and high death rates at low levels means your resulting character is ALSO determined randomly. You may start out with a blacksmith, an elf ranger, and a farmer. By the time they finish the first adventure, you're left with one or maybe two of them -- you can't predict which ones -- and that's your character, with his 3d6-down-the-line stats and battle scars from his first level 0 expedition. What class do you pick? Well, between his Luck score (which influences some element of potential class choice...more on that later) and his native abilities (high Str? high Int? etc.), there will probably be a class that seems like a natural choice. But the party must be balanced! And not every one of the party's 0-level PCs will be perfectly suited to every class. So you may end up with a character who's not optimized for his class. In fact, you probably WILL end up with a non-optimal character. And, frankly, that's a lot of fun.
This means we are getting the new ideas in the Beta? YAY!goodmangames wrote:Although it's going to drive the editor nuts because he's going to have to re-edit the thief class for the beta rules.
Seconded. I think this is great. It will be fun to find out how the Thief has changed.nanstreet wrote:This means we are getting the new ideas in the Beta? YAY!