Multiclassing... would it make godlike characters?

[TheNobleDrake]

Conan from the books. Excellent stealth skills and wall climbing, excellent fighter, but not a backstabber.

That just makes him a warrior with an exceptional Agility.

At least that is my take given the following:
1) Conan's background could be said to have included such skills and thus he is trained, or at the least familiar enough for 1d10+2
2) Stealth and climbing are things that any adult could have a reasonable chance of attempting, and thus he is trained
3) DCs in DCC are such that a 15 is where difficult tasks lie and 20 is reserved for things "only the most super-human characters attempt and succeed at", so Conan was never dealing with anything much higher than a DC 15.
4) The DC examples in the thief class description don't say anything about the DC being higher if one is not a thief, and so are pretty well within any character's ability to succeed at them so long as they are trained in that sort of skill.

So Conan's stealth and climbing exploits turned DCC rules would probably range from DC 10 to 15 and Conan would like roll 1d20+2 or so for those tasks, giving a pretty solid chance for success (and he could afford to burn a little luck in the times he might not roll quite high enough).

[Skyscraper]

It's always a pleasure to debate somebody who boils your statements down to strawman hyperbole.

Good day.

This discussion we're having is not going exactly as I would prefer, either. I'm sorry if my comments seem offensive to you, it was not my intent. We obviously disagree on the topic at hand, but more importantly I feel that we're having trouble communicating in an efficient way to understand each other well. Per the responses that you give me, I take that my point does not come across as it should.

Internet forums is not a medium that facilitates conveying an opinion, compared to in-person discussion. Not that I wish to use this as an excuse, just that pointing that out helps understand how a discussion sometimes derails.

No hard feelings I hope,

Sky

[Dark Lord]

Conan from the books. Excellent stealth skills and wall climbing, excellent fighter, but not a backstabber.

That just makes him a warrior with an exceptional Agility.

At least that is my take given the following:
1) Conan's background could be said to have included such skills and thus he is trained, or at the least familiar enough for 1d10+2
2) Stealth and climbing are things that any adult could have a reasonable chance of attempting, and thus he is trained
3) DCs in DCC are such that a 15 is where difficult tasks lie and 20 is reserved for things "only the most super-human characters attempt and succeed at", so Conan was never dealing with anything much higher than a DC 15.
4) The DC examples in the thief class description don't say anything about the DC being higher if one is not a thief, and so are pretty well within any character's ability to succeed at them so long as they are trained in that sort of skill.

So Conan's stealth and climbing exploits turned DCC rules would probably range from DC 10 to 15 and Conan would like roll 1d20+2 or so for those tasks, giving a pretty solid chance for success (and he could afford to burn a little luck in the times he might not roll quite high enough).

I would agree. I don't know what Conan does that makes him a thief by DCC standards. Climbing for thieves is actually climbing sheer surfaces, not just climbing. And I don't recall Conan picking locks,picking pockets or handling poison. I'd say Conan is firmly in the warrior type. The reverse is also true, Conan could be a Thief with high Strength who uses armor. I see nothing about Conan that could not be described with a single class.

[cthulhudarren]

Conan from the books. Excellent stealth skills and wall climbing, excellent fighter, but not a backstabber.

That just makes him a warrior with an exceptional Agility.

At least that is my take given the following:
1) Conan's background could be said to have included such skills and thus he is trained, or at the least familiar enough for 1d10+2
2) Stealth and climbing are things that any adult could have a reasonable chance of attempting, and thus he is trained
3) DCs in DCC are such that a 15 is where difficult tasks lie and 20 is reserved for things "only the most super-human characters attempt and succeed at", so Conan was never dealing with anything much higher than a DC 15.
4) The DC examples in the thief class description don't say anything about the DC being higher if one is not a thief, and so are pretty well within any character's ability to succeed at them so long as they are trained in that sort of skill.

So Conan's stealth and climbing exploits turned DCC rules would probably range from DC 10 to 15 and Conan would like roll 1d20+2 or so for those tasks, giving a pretty solid chance for success (and he could afford to burn a little luck in the times he might not roll quite high enough).

I would agree. I don't know what Conan does that makes him a thief by DCC standards. Climbing for thieves is actually climbing sheer surfaces, not just climbing. And I don't recall Conan picking locks,picking pockets or handling poison. I'd say Conan is firmly in the warrior type. The reverse is also true, Conan could be a Thief with high Strength who uses armor. I see nothing about Conan that could not be described with a single class.

Conan climbed very sheer surfaces, as well as any thief. The Tower of the Elephant is an example. Other than that, he is quite good at stealth. But that is it for his thief skills. I don't recall him picking locks or backstabbing(even though he was good at killing quietly).

[beermotor]

We all know if Gandalf hadn't wasted all that XP on multi-classing into Fighter he could've just used a Fly spell to drop Frodo into Mount Doom with the ring. One book, one movie. One sad, toasty hobbit.

Hah! My personal issue with the LotR storyline is the Eagle plot hole: wouldn't it have simply been faster, easier, and safer to approach the Eagles and say, "Hey guys, we need to get this ring and bearer to Mount Doom fast and avoid entanglements, as the fate of all Middle Earth hangs in the balance!" They then could've carried Frodo and the ring aloft, sped to Mt. Doom (flying high enough to avoid attacks from the ground), and Frodo could've dropped the ring into the volcano. If they'd planned it appropriately they could've even likely avoided any flying foes.

Even if they feared to fly too close to Mt. Doom (and face the possibility of fighting Fell Beasts and the Nazgul) they certainly could've flown Frodo and Sam far enough and fast enough to speed events along and avoid many perils on the way.

Of course, that would've made a boring book, but there it is, the big plot hole in the tale.

Colin

It's not a plot hole. Who's to say the eagle wouldn't suddenly realize the power it was carrying, change its mind and turn around, put the ring on itself? The story is primarily about faith and courage (particularly of simple, very English country folk, the Hobbits), secondarily about the horrors of modern war. Is it some McCarthy masterpiece? No, of course not. But it is a decent mashup of Christian allegory and Nordic mythology, which is what the guy was going for.

[Dark Lord]

Conan climbed very sheer surfaces, as well as any thief. The Tower of the Elephant is an example. Other than that, he is quite good at stealth. But that is it for his thief skills. I don't recall him picking locks or backstabbing(even though he was good at killing quietly).

Okay, so then he's a Thief. He has a Dex of 18 and a Strength of 18. The last weapon he touched as a 0-level was a battle axe. Now why does he need to have a Warrior class attached to him as well?

[cthulhudarren]

Conan climbed very sheer surfaces, as well as any thief. The Tower of the Elephant is an example. Other than that, he is quite good at stealth. But that is it for his thief skills. I don't recall him picking locks or backstabbing(even though he was good at killing quietly).

Okay, so then he's a Thief. He has a Dex of 18 and a Strength of 18. The last weapon he touched as a 0-level was a battle axe. Now why does he need to have a Warrior class attached to him as well?

Because he is pretty much proficient with every weapon and armor if you read the stories.

That said, I admit you could call him a high agility Warrior with proficiency in stealth and climbing. Not sure how to get there within the rules of DCC except to say 0 level occupation has him trained in both stealth and climbing. ??

A hunter occupation would give you some kind of stealth in the woodlands, but maybe a "cat burgler" occupation would suffice!

[Dark Lord]

Those, or...
16 Cutpurse
75 Mercenary
87 Smuggler
88 Soldier
94 Urchin

[Raven_Crowking]

Conan climbed very sheer surfaces, as well as any thief. The Tower of the Elephant is an example. Other than that, he is quite good at stealth. But that is it for his thief skills. I don't recall him picking locks or backstabbing(even though he was good at killing quietly).

Okay, so then he's a Thief. He has a Dex of 18 and a Strength of 18. The last weapon he touched as a 0-level was a battle axe. Now why does he need to have a Warrior class attached to him as well?

For the record, in Tower of the Elephant, Conan uses a rope. He is not scaling a sheer surface without aid.

If I was doing a Conan game in DCC, I would create an occupation table that listed the names of the peoples in REH's milieu as well as occupations. Within this context, Conan is trained in climbing because he is a Cimmerian, which matches well with what REH wrote.

[cthulhudarren]

Within this context, Conan is trained in climbing because he is a Cimmerian, which matches well with what REH wrote.

I agree! Also agree with the training stuff. Cimmerian gives climbing training, plus some kind of cold resistance.

[TheNobleDrake]

...and for another DCC rules-oriented way of explaining Conan's "un-warriorly" skills: he quested for it.

[Dark Lord]

If I was doing a Conan game in DCC, I would create an occupation table that listed the names of the peoples in REH's milieu as well as occupations. Within this context, Conan is trained in climbing because he is a Cimmerian, which matches well with what REH wrote.

I like that a lot!

You know, the other author that comes to mind for this would be Tolkien. You could easily establish the differences between High Elves, Wood Elves, Tooks, Brandybucks, Bracegirdles, Men of Rohan, Gondor, Easterlings etc etc.

[Gameogre]

Geez you guys! Don't know Conan much at all huh?

OBVIOUSLY Conan was a pc warrior in DM Howard's DCCRPG "Savage Sword" Game. He used Crawl #1 Everyone can do Thief skills options so Thief was removed as a Class.