Goodman Games

Hi folks

This is my first time as a GG's costumer, so I wanted to know what sort of paper GG use for their prints?

I think it's going to be printed with blood on human skin, but Joseph probably knows it better...

If it's going to be like the Dungeon Alphabet, then I won't complain, it has quite sturdy and thick paper.

DCC RPG will be printed on 70# uncoated offset. That is a durable, heavyweight paper stock near the upper end of what most printers keep in stock. It is not the "slick" type paper that you see used in color products; it is a more textured paper. When you read RPG products that feel like they are on flimsy paper, that is typically 50# stock (which I don't use). The real test is whether you can see the blacks through the page - i.e. is a dark illustration visible on the other side of the page. With 50# paper, it is; with 70#, it is not.

As long as we are on the subject - I am also using Smythe-sewn binding. That means nothing to most people but it is the difference between a heavily-referenced RPG falling apart at the binding or not. Smythe-sewn features an adhesive binding AND sewn threads to hold the binding together. All those RPG's you bought that fell apart after a couple months of use...well, they used adhesive only. Smythe-sewn is more expensive but it is worth it.

I have a decade of industry experience in print, and I fully endorse those print specs! 70lb is definitely a nice, solid text stock, and uncoated feels nice to the touch (and allows scribbling notes and house rules in the columns!). Smythe sewn binding is also top notch. A book this large with just perfect binding (aka glue) would definitely come apart with too much use.

I'm glad to see that DCC will be using uncoated paper (like the AD&D books). It's sad to see a lot of publishers going towards glossy. Glossy text stock is cheap, in my opinion, and makes flipping through the book not as enjoyable.

With the quality of the printing and binding, the page count, the amount of art, the mechanics and the whole tone of the game, I'm even more convinced this will be an instant rpg classic (just as the name suggests).

The obvious love and caring that's gone into this product, is worth the price alone.

Congrats!

This information on the paper stock and the binding quality is the final straw - I am now literally
giddy with anticipation of touching this hallowed tome. This is gonna be a GOOD summer.

awesome

Stainless wrote:With the quality of the printing and binding, the page count, the amount of art, the mechanics and the whole tone of the game, I'm even more convinced this will be an instant rpg classic (just as the name suggests).

Classic artwork, classic printing and binding, classic game mechanics, classic roleplaying, classic dungeon crawling.
Dungeon Crawl Classic RPG.

That's got to be the tagline of this game.

henis wrote:

Stainless wrote:With the quality of the printing and binding, the page count, the amount of art, the mechanics and the whole tone of the game, I'm even more convinced this will be an instant rpg classic (just as the name suggests).

Classic artwork, classic printing and binding, classic game mechanics, classic roleplaying, classic dungeon crawling.
Dungeon Crawl Classic RPG.

That's got to be the tagline of this game.

Now let's put this on a T-shirt, which shows at least some classic atwork. And a poster, which says April instead of February.

DCC RPG will be printed on 70# uncoated offset. That is a durable, heavyweight paper stock near the upper end of what most printers keep in stock. It is not the "slick" type paper that you see used in color products; it is a more textured paper. When you read RPG products that feel like they are on flimsy paper, that is typically 50# stock (which I don't use). The real test is whether you can see the blacks through the page - i.e. is a dark illustration visible on the other side of the page. With 50# paper, it is; with 70#, it is not.

As long as we are on the subject - I am also using Smythe-sewn binding. That means nothing to most people but it is the difference between a heavily-referenced RPG falling apart at the binding or not. Smythe-sewn features an adhesive binding AND sewn threads to hold the binding together. All those RPG's you bought that fell apart after a couple months of use...well, they used adhesive only. Smythe-sewn is more expensive but it is worth it.

Having worked in printing, I can truly appreciate the extra care you are taking with this book. I love that you are printing on 70#. I hate the text gloss papers and the smythe-sewn binding is awesome. I am always happy to pay extra for a quality book.

goodmangames wrote: As long as we are on the subject - I am also using Smythe-sewn binding. That means nothing to most people but it is the difference between a heavily-referenced RPG falling apart at the binding or not. Smythe-sewn features an adhesive binding AND sewn threads to hold the binding together. All those RPG's you bought that fell apart after a couple months of use...well, they used adhesive only. Smythe-sewn is more expensive but it is worth it.

I know what Smythe-sewn means.

Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

And thanks for the email reminder on the pre-orders. I placed my order this morning and am really looking forward to running this game!

goodmangames wrote:DCC RPG will be printed on 70# uncoated offset. That is a durable, heavyweight paper stock near the upper end of what most printers keep in stock. It is not the "slick" type paper that you see used in color products; it is a more textured paper. When you read RPG products that feel like they are on flimsy paper, that is typically 50# stock (which I don't use). The real test is whether you can see the blacks through the page - i.e. is a dark illustration visible on the other side of the page. With 50# paper, it is; with 70#, it is not.

As long as we are on the subject - I am also using Smythe-sewn binding. That means nothing to most people but it is the difference between a heavily-referenced RPG falling apart at the binding or not. Smythe-sewn features an adhesive binding AND sewn threads to hold the binding together. All those RPG's you bought that fell apart after a couple months of use...well, they used adhesive only. Smythe-sewn is more expensive but it is worth it.

Excellent! I am so tired of paying for the perceived quality of slick pages that just cause a glare and make the book difficult to read. Smythe sewn binding is also real value.

Again, thank you, Joseph.

I don't know much about paper weight I doubt I'd heard the term "Smythe sewn" before a day or so ago. What I do know is that Goodman Games puts out a quality product, both in terms of writing/artistic quality and the physical item. I trust in Joseph on this!

finarvyn wrote:I don't know much about paper weight I doubt I'd heard the term "Smythe sewn" before a day or so ago. What I do know is that Goodman Games puts out a quality product, both in terms of writing/artistic quality and the physical item. I trust in Joseph on this!

I don't know much about paper either but I d prefer black and white artwork in RPGs over the slick color illustrations. It is kind of like I prefer 2d over 3d movies. It is an improvement that I don't really value.

Wow, I knew I was an RPG geek among RPG geeks.

I had no idea I was also among fellow stationary geeks...