I am excited about Crime Pays
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
Being 100% honest...how "system-transparent" is this product?
I no longer support 4th edition in any way, but I do support 1) Goodman Games and 2) crime in my fantasy game.
Can I port over the essentials to 3.x/Pathfinder/DCC RPG...?
I no longer support 4th edition in any way, but I do support 1) Goodman Games and 2) crime in my fantasy game.
Can I port over the essentials to 3.x/Pathfinder/DCC RPG...?
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Ogre,
It is Mrs. Stroh's birthday tonight, but I'll put together a page analysis for you tomorrow.
//H
It is Mrs. Stroh's birthday tonight, but I'll put together a page analysis for you tomorrow.
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
Hey, man, don't get in trouble with the wife! Take your time. ![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Doesn't need to be extensive--I just want to be sure I can buy this book without getting "4th edition taint" on me.![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
![Very Happy :D](./images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif)
Doesn't need to be extensive--I just want to be sure I can buy this book without getting "4th edition taint" on me.
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
Hi Harley,
Any advance info you can give us 4e players too?
Cheers
Richard
Any advance info you can give us 4e players too?
Cheers
Richard
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
Esteemed Coves, Bravos and Maunders,
The best analysis is thumbing through the book at your local brick & mortar and seeing if it is something that might inspire you as a DM. Much of the meat is system neutral, but there are also a LOT of 4e stats provided. (Answering every DM’s burning question: How many hp does that harlot have, anyway?)
Page count wise we are looking at:
2 -16, Intro and mob mechanics. System-neutral.
17 - 21, Crime mechanics. 3.x - 4e bias. You would need to be comfortable with the concept of a target DC.
22 - 29, Stats for thief-takers of all sorts. 4e.
30 - 38, “Random” events. System-neutral.
39 - 40, Mob war mechanics. 4e.
41 - 50, Campaign seeds. System-neutral.
51 - 70, Adventure seeds for the 3 tiers. 4e stats.
71 - 78, Made men, stats for mob NPCs. 4e.
79 - 82, Vulgar Tongue, a thieves’ cant dictionary. System-neutral.
83 - 90, Slum geomorphs. System-neutral.
91 - 92, Neighborhood generator. System-neutral.
93 - 94, Crime Templates, Boon generator, mob record sheets. System-neutral.
So, certainly not 100% system transparent.
However, if stats are the hurdle, I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.
//H
The best analysis is thumbing through the book at your local brick & mortar and seeing if it is something that might inspire you as a DM. Much of the meat is system neutral, but there are also a LOT of 4e stats provided. (Answering every DM’s burning question: How many hp does that harlot have, anyway?)
Page count wise we are looking at:
2 -16, Intro and mob mechanics. System-neutral.
17 - 21, Crime mechanics. 3.x - 4e bias. You would need to be comfortable with the concept of a target DC.
22 - 29, Stats for thief-takers of all sorts. 4e.
30 - 38, “Random” events. System-neutral.
39 - 40, Mob war mechanics. 4e.
41 - 50, Campaign seeds. System-neutral.
51 - 70, Adventure seeds for the 3 tiers. 4e stats.
71 - 78, Made men, stats for mob NPCs. 4e.
79 - 82, Vulgar Tongue, a thieves’ cant dictionary. System-neutral.
83 - 90, Slum geomorphs. System-neutral.
91 - 92, Neighborhood generator. System-neutral.
93 - 94, Crime Templates, Boon generator, mob record sheets. System-neutral.
So, certainly not 100% system transparent.
However, if stats are the hurdle, I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.
//H
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
pfft -- A couple saves and you're cured. No big whoop.Ogrepuppy wrote:I just want to be sure I can buy this book without getting "4th edition taint" on me.
Also, even though I have no outlet for using this book for the next year or so, (seeing the breakdown on what's in it) I'm getting more and more interested!
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
This looks very good! When will we get it in the UK?
Or is there a PDF now?
Cheers
Richard
Or is there a PDF now?
Cheers
Richard
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No, sir. With all due respect to you, my friend Gnomie, I will never embrace 4th edition. I tried--for two long years I tried repeatedly--to love those rules, but I can't.GnomeBoy wrote:A couple saves and you're cured. No big whoop.
Anybody wanna buy some gently used 4th edition rule books? [/thread derail]
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Rich,richgreen01 wrote:This looks very good! When will we get it in the UK?
Or is there a PDF now?
Thank you for your interest!
Joseph sent the book to print a couple weeks ago. Then it is off to distributors and stores. Around the time the book hits the shelves he'll make the pdf available.
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Understood (with a crazier amount of emphasis than the forum code will allow).Ogrepuppy wrote:No, sir. With all due respect to you, my friend Gnomie, I will never embrace 4th edition. I tried--for two long years I tried repeatedly--to love those rules, but I can't.
...But you're not better now??? I was sure you had a higher Con than that, Ogre...
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
I shook off the 4th edition dominate person effect and seem to be rapidly recovering. As part of my therapy, I play lots of 3.5/Pathfinder/Trailblazer in an attempt to bring me 'back from the brink' as it were.
Now, let's see....where was that Cthulhu mythos tome I was reading...?
![Shocked :shock:](./images/smilies/icon_eek.gif)
Now, let's see....where was that Cthulhu mythos tome I was reading...?
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*closes and pulls Unausprechlichen Kulten out from behind opened Justice League comic*
...I was keeping it warm for you...
...I was keeping it warm for you...
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Of all the ones you could choose....GnomeBoy wrote:Unausprechlichen Kulten
![Twisted Evil :twisted:](./images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif)
Damn, you really are me under a different screen name....
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I was just thinking the same thing!Ogrepuppy wrote:...you really are me under a different screen name....
![Twisted Evil :twisted:](./images/smilies/icon_twisted.gif)
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Player: "I'm doing something illegal."Harley Stroh wrote:I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.
GM: Ponders actually thumbing though Crime Pays rulebook. "Okay. Roll dice."
Player: "I got a 14!"
GM: "You're dead. Want to play again?"
The above represents my own DCC RPG conversion. Took me about a minute and you wanted to spend an afternoon on this? What, you get paid by the hour?
![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
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finarvyn wrote:Player: "I'm doing something illegal."Harley Stroh wrote:I’d be happy to write up a conversion for the DCC RPG. (It helps that it would take, tops, an afternoon.) I need to finish off the next two adventures but after that I could take a little time to make the conversion doc.
GM: Ponders actually thumbing though Crime Pays rulebook. "Okay. Roll dice."
Player: "I got a 14!"
GM: "You're dead. Want to play again?"
The above represents my own DCC RPG conversion. Took me about a minute and you wanted to spend an afternoon on this? What, you get paid by the hour?
![Razz :P](./images/smilies/icon_razz.gif)
But which die? Was that a d14? d16? These things take time!
//H
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All of them die, of course. TPK!Harley Stroh wrote:But which die?
![Laughing :lol:](./images/smilies/icon_lol.gif)
Oh ... that kind of die.Harley Stroh wrote:Was that a d14? d16? These things take time!
![Wink :wink:](./images/smilies/icon_wink.gif)
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LOL...love the "DCC RPG conversion" and dice conversation. ![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
Crime Pays just shipped from the printer...with distributor transit times and such, it will hit stores early April. I will post an exact date once we have the book in the warehouse and some distributor orders on hand.
![Smile :)](./images/smilies/icon_smile.gif)
Crime Pays just shipped from the printer...with distributor transit times and such, it will hit stores early April. I will post an exact date once we have the book in the warehouse and some distributor orders on hand.
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Will there be a PDF too?goodmangames wrote: Crime Pays just shipped from the printer...with distributor transit times and such, it will hit stores early April. I will post an exact date once we have the book in the warehouse and some distributor orders on hand.
Richard
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Yes, there will be a PDF as well, releasing the same time as the print book.
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Thanks!goodmangames wrote:Yes, there will be a PDF as well, releasing the same time as the print book.
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Just wanted to let you know -- Crime Pays is moving through the distributors now and will be in stores the week of April 26.
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Re: I am excited about Crime Pays
Any possibility that the Crime Templates and Mob Sheets might be available for download?
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Good idea. You can download them now from this link...we'll get the product page updated soon:
http://www.goodman-games.com/downloads/ ... plates.pdf
http://www.goodman-games.com/downloads/ ... plates.pdf
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Awesome! Thanks!