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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 2:54 pm 
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My merry band of would-be heroes and ne'er-do-wells is likely to face a dragon soon. I don't understand the book's explanation about breath weapon damage as its hit dice.
Does this mean a dragon with X hd rolls X dice when it breathes on the party?

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stone tools, empty flask, large sack w/Ythothian head, Hag's head, hagflesh Planetary Common
Darag DEAD laid down her life for the honor of her pack...
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PostPosted: Fri Sep 08, 2017 7:46 pm 
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In the Ancient Times the damage a dragon dealt with their breathing of the fire or the cold or the such was equal to their hit points.

So a dragon of 50 hp would dish out 50 hits of damage when they breathed-ed.

Some say it was always their total hp regardless of where they stood when they did breathe, and there are those who say it was whatever their current hp might be at the time they did breathe...

These two camps of thought are sworn to attack each other on sight, as human such are like to do, when in camps of thought.

I reckon you'll rule as you're liable to do.

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Kelven • Smuggler • L • S14 A8 S11 P12 I7 L10
AC9+, HP 4, Mv 30, In -1, R-1 F0 W0
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Scale, Flask, waterproof sack, 50’ rope, torch, 21 cp

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AC10+, HP 3, Mv 30, In 0, R0 F1 W1
Longsword +1 1d8+1
Scale, Lg sack, steel helmet, 50’ rope, torch • Common, Chaos, Hobgoblin

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AC10, HP 1 (of 4), Mv 30, In 0, R0 F0 W1
Glaive +0 1d10
Club +0 1d4
Chain 10', lg sack, 18 cp

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AC10+, HP 1, Mv 30, In 0, R0 F-1 W1
Sword +1 _
Flint Dagger +1 [thrown]
Club +1 1d4+1
Hide, Flint/steel, strange rock, oil (1)
Crit table +1

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 12:55 pm 
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Ok, since my original inquiry, I've found notation within certain modules pertaining to dragons supporting the notion that the potency of their breath is directly tied to the beast's current hit points. Am I right in thinking that there is no attack roll for dragon breath, just a straight Reflex save for half damage?

If I party wipe these guys after these months of play, I need someone to share blame with! :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen:

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Arvis (l) kith mapper
Str9(0) Agi11(0) Sta15(+1) Per12(0) Int12(0) Luc17(+2) AC10 HP4 flint knife(x2)+2(1d4+2) or club+0(1d6) Spd30 Init0 Ref0 Fort1 Will0
chest w/ flask, mushroom bits(x4), ebon fruit, hand-sized mirror, thick leather & ink (Att/dmg flint knife+2) Planetary Common
Beega the Butcher (l) kith stonecutter
Str4(-2) Agi12(0) Sta14(+1) Per7(-1) Int8(-1) Luc11(0) AC10 HP3 stone axe-2(1d6-2) or flint spear-2(1d8-2) Spd30 Init0 Ref0 Fort1 Will-1
stone tools, empty flask, large sack w/Ythothian head, Hag's head, hagflesh Planetary Common
Darag DEAD laid down her life for the honor of her pack...
Kolo DEAD struck down battling that which is an abomination in the eyes of the Masters...
Moarbanez DEAD -died gloriously cleft in twain by a glaive...


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 3:29 pm 
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No attack roll. They pick the area they are affecting, and anyone in it needs to make a save.

Learning to fight against dragons is deadly. That's why dragons are to be feared.

Historical note: I just checked my copy of Holmes Basic D&D, which is more or less the original version of the game (see elsewhere for that, if curious). Dragons are listed as specifically having 3 attacks: 2 claws and a bite. The breath weapon is clearly a special case, especially since there is a particular type of saving throw for breath weapons, so it never would have been resolved with an attack roll. I'm sure that's what Joseph was building on when he was writing Dragon rules for DCC.

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Playing RPGs since 1977 • Quasi-occasional member of the Legion of 8th-Level Fighters.

Link: Here Be DCC Monsters

PbP Purple Planeteers!

Kelven • Smuggler • L • S14 A8 S11 P12 I7 L10
AC9+, HP 4, Mv 30, In -1, R-1 F0 W0
Sword +1 _
Staff +1 or Sling -1 1d4+1
Scale, Flask, waterproof sack, 50’ rope, torch, 21 cp

Toby • Squire • C • S13 A10 S14 P15 I16 L9
AC10+, HP 3, Mv 30, In 0, R0 F1 W1
Longsword +1 1d8+1
Scale, Lg sack, steel helmet, 50’ rope, torch • Common, Chaos, Hobgoblin

Havarth • Animal trainer • L • S11 A11 S9 P15 I9 L7
AC10, HP 1 (of 4), Mv 30, In 0, R0 F0 W1
Glaive +0 1d10
Club +0 1d4
Chain 10', lg sack, 18 cp

Lucius • Slave • N • S13 A11 S8 P15 I11 L11
AC10+, HP 1, Mv 30, In 0, R0 F-1 W1
Sword +1 _
Flint Dagger +1 [thrown]
Club +1 1d4+1
Hide, Flint/steel, strange rock, oil (1)
Crit table +1

RIP
Stinky Pete, Ostler — Spine snapped by a tackling Kith


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GnomeBoy wrote:
No attack roll. They pick the area they are affecting, and anyone in it needs to make a save.

Learning to fight against dragons is deadly. That's why dragons are to be feared.

Historical note: I just checked my copy of Holmes Basic D&D, which is more or less the original version of the game (see elsewhere for that, if curious). Dragons are listed as specifically having 3 attacks: 2 claws and a bite. The breath weapon is clearly a special case, especially since there is a particular type of saving throw for breath weapons, so it never would have been resolved with an attack roll. I'm sure that's what Joseph was building on when he was writing Dragon rules for DCC.


That's what I was *and they will be) afraid of! :mrgreen: :twisted: :mrgreen:
Thanks!

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Str9(0) Agi11(0) Sta15(+1) Per12(0) Int12(0) Luc17(+2) AC10 HP4 flint knife(x2)+2(1d4+2) or club+0(1d6) Spd30 Init0 Ref0 Fort1 Will0
chest w/ flask, mushroom bits(x4), ebon fruit, hand-sized mirror, thick leather & ink (Att/dmg flint knife+2) Planetary Common
Beega the Butcher (l) kith stonecutter
Str4(-2) Agi12(0) Sta14(+1) Per7(-1) Int8(-1) Luc11(0) AC10 HP3 stone axe-2(1d6-2) or flint spear-2(1d8-2) Spd30 Init0 Ref0 Fort1 Will-1
stone tools, empty flask, large sack w/Ythothian head, Hag's head, hagflesh Planetary Common
Darag DEAD laid down her life for the honor of her pack...
Kolo DEAD struck down battling that which is an abomination in the eyes of the Masters...
Moarbanez DEAD -died gloriously cleft in twain by a glaive...


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