Three Fates and follow on question/sanity check
Posted: Sun Mar 24, 2019 5:57 pm
Sup all,
I have a very good/active player in our group that had developed a really cool set of Invoke Patron results for his specific patron. Many of the results are based in part on other Invoke Patron results as written (Three Fates in this case). Some of the results that were tweaked seem a little unbalanced having seen them in action though.
The Invoke Patron results of the patron "Three Fates" allows a +10 modifier for a randomly determined round in the future, kept secret by the DM until the boon comes into effect. The +10 modifier, which I believe could be anything from a spell check to an attack roll to a skill check (caster is playing cards for instance), is huge. I think the reason the designers allow this is because the player does not know when the modifier will take effect, even up until right after the action die is actually used that round(s). In other words, the player can not gauge at all when the modifier comes into effect. Two other DCC players/DMs concurred with this interpretation of Three Fates on MeWe and Discord, but I wanted to hear it straight from the GG Forum.
The player's tailored Invoke Patron results, which is from the benevolence of a more lawfully aligned higher power, give the caster (player) actual prior notice on when the boons take effect, and the boons continue on in subsequent rounds on a decent Spell Check result. This has resulted in consistent, extremely powerful (+30) results of "out of combat" spells, such as Animal Summoning, Comprehend Languages, and Magic Shield, etc. I hate to say it...but it is like a +10 Spellburn result for up to three spells if the Invoke Patron is rolled even moderately well on the spell check, without the ability damage.
I really like the concept of player developed Invoke Patron results, and I like the tweak in this instance to a more "lawfully aligned" patron. I am thinking the benefits for a "prior notice" buff should be 12-13 = +2 for one check, 14-17 = +3 for two checks, 18-19 = +4 for two checks. Any thoughts on this are welcome.
Three Fates Invoke Patron - as written on pg 348, 4th Printing:
12-13 The Fates twist the destiny of the world slightly in the castor's favor. They grant a +10 bonus to a single check, but the caster has no knowledge of when the bonus will take effect. The judge should secretly roll a randomly chosen die; the result is the round when the bonus takes effect.
14-17 The Fates warp destiny in the caster's favor. They grant a +10 bonus to three checks, but the caster has no knowledge of then the bonuses will take effect. The judge should secretly roll three randomly chosen dice to determine when the bonuses take effect.
18-19 The fates weave destiny in the caster's favor. They gran a +10 bonus to five checks, but the caster has no knowledge of when the bonuses will take effect. The judge should secretly roll five randomly chosen dice to determine when the bonuses take effect.
Player's Invoke Patron results:
12-13 The patron twists the destiny of the world slightly in the caster’s favor. He grants a +10 bonus to a
single check. The player should roll a D6 to determine the time it takes for the patron to respond and grant his beneficence; the result is the round when the bonus takes effect.
14-17 The patron warps destiny in the caster’s favor. He grants a +10 bonus to three checks. The player should roll a D4 to determine the time it takes for the patron to respond and grant his beneficence; the result is the round when the initial bonus takes effect, with the subsequent checks being granted in succeeding rounds.
18-19 The patron weaves destiny in the caster’s favor. He grants a +10 bonus to five checks. The player should roll a D3 to determine the time it takes for the patron to respond and grant his beneficence; the result is the round when the initial bonus takes effect, with the subsequent checks being granted in succeeding rounds.
Apologize if the "Three Fates" question was answered previously, but there is a little more to this particular question, so I just wanted to post it up on here
John
I have a very good/active player in our group that had developed a really cool set of Invoke Patron results for his specific patron. Many of the results are based in part on other Invoke Patron results as written (Three Fates in this case). Some of the results that were tweaked seem a little unbalanced having seen them in action though.
The Invoke Patron results of the patron "Three Fates" allows a +10 modifier for a randomly determined round in the future, kept secret by the DM until the boon comes into effect. The +10 modifier, which I believe could be anything from a spell check to an attack roll to a skill check (caster is playing cards for instance), is huge. I think the reason the designers allow this is because the player does not know when the modifier will take effect, even up until right after the action die is actually used that round(s). In other words, the player can not gauge at all when the modifier comes into effect. Two other DCC players/DMs concurred with this interpretation of Three Fates on MeWe and Discord, but I wanted to hear it straight from the GG Forum.
The player's tailored Invoke Patron results, which is from the benevolence of a more lawfully aligned higher power, give the caster (player) actual prior notice on when the boons take effect, and the boons continue on in subsequent rounds on a decent Spell Check result. This has resulted in consistent, extremely powerful (+30) results of "out of combat" spells, such as Animal Summoning, Comprehend Languages, and Magic Shield, etc. I hate to say it...but it is like a +10 Spellburn result for up to three spells if the Invoke Patron is rolled even moderately well on the spell check, without the ability damage.
I really like the concept of player developed Invoke Patron results, and I like the tweak in this instance to a more "lawfully aligned" patron. I am thinking the benefits for a "prior notice" buff should be 12-13 = +2 for one check, 14-17 = +3 for two checks, 18-19 = +4 for two checks. Any thoughts on this are welcome.
Three Fates Invoke Patron - as written on pg 348, 4th Printing:
12-13 The Fates twist the destiny of the world slightly in the castor's favor. They grant a +10 bonus to a single check, but the caster has no knowledge of when the bonus will take effect. The judge should secretly roll a randomly chosen die; the result is the round when the bonus takes effect.
14-17 The Fates warp destiny in the caster's favor. They grant a +10 bonus to three checks, but the caster has no knowledge of then the bonuses will take effect. The judge should secretly roll three randomly chosen dice to determine when the bonuses take effect.
18-19 The fates weave destiny in the caster's favor. They gran a +10 bonus to five checks, but the caster has no knowledge of when the bonuses will take effect. The judge should secretly roll five randomly chosen dice to determine when the bonuses take effect.
Player's Invoke Patron results:
12-13 The patron twists the destiny of the world slightly in the caster’s favor. He grants a +10 bonus to a
single check. The player should roll a D6 to determine the time it takes for the patron to respond and grant his beneficence; the result is the round when the bonus takes effect.
14-17 The patron warps destiny in the caster’s favor. He grants a +10 bonus to three checks. The player should roll a D4 to determine the time it takes for the patron to respond and grant his beneficence; the result is the round when the initial bonus takes effect, with the subsequent checks being granted in succeeding rounds.
18-19 The patron weaves destiny in the caster’s favor. He grants a +10 bonus to five checks. The player should roll a D3 to determine the time it takes for the patron to respond and grant his beneficence; the result is the round when the initial bonus takes effect, with the subsequent checks being granted in succeeding rounds.
Apologize if the "Three Fates" question was answered previously, but there is a little more to this particular question, so I just wanted to post it up on here
John