How to calculate saves?

[mAc Chaos]

The explanations for the stats say that they INFLUENCE the saving throws, but I'm not sure if that means that they're the only thing that goes into them.

For instance, a Fortitude saving throw. Is it just your stamina bonus? Or something else?

[Raven_Crowking]

Stamina bonus plus class bonus based on level.

[mAc Chaos]

So at level 0 it's just Stamina then. Got it.

[catseye yellow]

take note that some birth augurs can change, if luck stat is either high or low enough, saves and other scores.

[GnomeBoy]

So at level it's just Stamina then. Got it.

Not sure what that means, unless the word "Zero" is missing (as in "Level Zero").

I think if you change the word 'influences' to 'modifies' on page 20, it might help out... As it is, it avoids saying that the "modifiers modify".

[mAc Chaos]

Oops, meant to say level 0, yeah.

re, birth augurs changing: do you mean after burning luck? I thought your birth augur was just fixed along with the luck score itself from the beginning no matter what you do.

[GnomeBoy]

re, birth augurs changing: do you mean after burning luck? I thought your birth augur was just fixed along with the luck score itself from the beginning no matter what you do.

I'll take the risk of editing the post, to see if I can make it clearer...

if luck stat is either high or low enough, some birth augurs can change saves and other scores.

Meaning (I think; correct me if I'm misinterpreting what you've said, catseye) that there are some augurs that will adjust Saves, beyond the base rule of Class bonus + Ability Mod.

Also, some people play with birth augur result as a permanent number, and some play that it shifts with rising and falling Luck scores. And of course, Luck itself can change dramatically over time...

[catseye yellow]

in a word: yes.

[catseye yellow]

and while there is no 'correct' way to play, rules are crear that augur values remain fixed even if luck changes.

[Raven_Crowking]

and while there is no 'correct' way to play, rules are crear that augur values remain fixed even if luck changes.

This.