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Post by finarvyn » Sat May 26, 2012 5:29 am

I was going to make a post on something, then I saw this quote...
Galadrin wrote:A 64 page version of DCC would be great. I think you could squeeze the classes (level 0 to level 2) onto 10 pages and 6 pages for equipment and combat rules. You could drop corruption and unnecessary spell levels so that Misfire + Casting Results (up to 25 or so) fit one page per spell. 8 Wizard Spells and 8 Cleric Spells would be another 16 pages. The next 32 pages could be judges rules, monsters and a sample dungeon.
...and decided to springboard off of Galadrin's comment.

As far as I know there is no plan to come up with additional rulebooks, as Goodman Games is gearing up for RPG support via modules. However, a few ideas come to mind that might be useful for gamers and not so hard to do layout for...

What I'd like to see:

1) A "DCC Basic" book.
I'm not sure if levels 0-2 is what I'd go with, but I would like to see something closer to Joseph's original concept of levels 0-5. I think it would play just as well as the current edition but be a lot thinner. Much of the same artwork could be used, etc. Depending upon the size of the final product, it could be hardback or paperback.

2) A bunch of DCC mini-rulebooks.
Essentially take the present rulebook (or the thinned-down idea from #1 above) and split it into smaller slices. These could be sold alone or as a nifty boxed set. I would assume paperback format. If in a box, use the same basic cover art as the rulebook.
* Pages 10-73 could become "The DCC Book of Characters" and would include introduction, class information, skills, and equipment.
* pages 74-96 on combat, 304-361 on Journeys and Judges section, and Patrons and, pages 362-375 on Magic Items, pages 436-451 Appendices, etc. could be "The DCC Book for Game Masters"
* pages 98-303 on spell duels, magic, and spell tables could be "The DCC Book of Spells". (Alternately, this could be further sub-divided into Arcane and Divine since any given character wouldn't need both at the same time.)
* Pages 376-435 becomes "The DCC Book of Monsters"
* The Portal Under the Stars would be its own booklet.

3) Misc DCC extras.
* I'd still like to see a GM screen.
* I'd like an officiall 12-piece DCC poly dice set (light blue with red numbers, like the colors on the core rulebook).
* I'd like a set of "spell cards"; essentially one spell per sheet of cardstock.
* I'd like a DCC t-shirt with the core rulebook cover print on it that I can wear to game conventions.

Am I asking for too much? :lol:
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Re: What I'd like to see...

Post by meinvt » Sat May 26, 2012 5:54 am

finarvyn wrote:Am I asking for too much? :lol:
Only your Patron from beyond the electrons John Goodman can answer that. Be hopeful you like his response!
finarvyn wrote:What I'd like to see:

1) A "DCC Basic" book.
I'm not sure if levels 0-2 is what I'd go with, but I would like to see something closer to Joseph's original concept of levels 0-5. I think it would play just as well as the current edition but be a lot thinner. Much of the same artwork could be used, etc. Depending upon the size of the final product, it could be hardback or paperback.

2) A bunch of DCC mini-rulebooks.
Essentially take the present rulebook (or the thinned-down idea from #1 above) and split it into smaller slices. These could be sold alone or as a nifty boxed set. I would assume paperback format. If in a box, use the same basic cover art as the rulebook.
* Pages 10-73 could become "The DCC Book of Characters" and would include introduction, class information, skills, and equipment.
* pages 74-96 on combat, 304-361 on Journeys and Judges section, and Patrons and, pages 362-375 on Magic Items, pages 436-451 Appendices, etc. could be "The DCC Book for Game Masters"
* pages 98-303 on spell duels, magic, and spell tables could be "The DCC Book of Spells". (Alternately, this could be further sub-divided into Arcane and Divine since any given character wouldn't need both at the same time.)
* Pages 376-435 becomes "The DCC Book of Monsters"
* The Portal Under the Stars would be its own booklet.
I thought I actually saw John post somewhere that he does want to do a Father-Son version of the game that would be essentially through level 3. I'm less excited about splitting up existing content into new books. I don't see the need. I like the story based approach to generating new content that comes from primarily releasing adventures with an occasional annual for collecting the best new elements from those adventures each year along with perhaps a few new rules that wouldn't otherwise get out there like a new character class option. (e.g. Elven Solipsist - so you play an elf who has refused to ever seek power from a patron).
finarvyn wrote: 3) Misc DCC extras.
* I'd still like to see a GM screen.
* I'd like an officiall 12-piece DCC poly dice set (light blue with red numbers, like the colors on the core rulebook).
* I'd like a set of "spell cards"; essentially one spell per sheet of cardstock.
* I'd like a DCC t-shirt with the core rulebook cover print on it that I can wear to game conventions.
+d12 on the GM screen
+d24 on the official 12 piece dice set, with a bonus +d7 mighty deeds die. I really want this badly, and I want it out of opaque dice and ideally with softer edges. I've tried to love my set of dice of precision dice, but I just can't. I don't like needing to substitute others, but that's what happens.
+d6 on the spell cards. Actually, I'd be delighted with a pdf product that let me print one spell per page nicely formatted and could print them to cardstock myself. Ideally I'd like to print them on 4x6 cards front and back, but that might require a magnifying glass!
+d4 on the T-Shirt. I assume you mean the limited edition.

I want all of these things more than the rules re-bundles.

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Post by DimitriX » Sat May 26, 2012 7:17 am

Yes, please make t-shirts of the Metal edition. That's such a cool design that I think people will buy it even if they don't know what DCC RPG is. They can easily be made on cafepress or spreadshirt. I would make one for myself but I don't have the original image to use.

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Post by DCCfan » Sat May 26, 2012 7:27 am

DimitriX wrote:Yes, please make t-shirts of the Metal edition. That's such a cool design that I think people will buy it even if they don't know what DCC RPG is. They can easily be made on cafepress or spreadshirt. I would make one for myself but I don't have the original image to use.
I agree. You knocked it out of the park when you came up with the limited edition cover. I'll buy that t-shirt.
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Post by finarvyn » Sat May 26, 2012 8:19 am

Actually, I like both covers and would be happy with a shirt with either design on it. The limited edition cover is really cool, but the other one is more likely to be long-term identified with the product as it's the one that would go into most game stores.

If the goal is to advertise the game, it might be better to advertise the cover that everyone else gets to see. :wink:
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Post by DimitriX » Sat May 26, 2012 8:26 am

finarvyn wrote:Actually, I like both covers and would be happy with a shirt with either design on it. The limited edition cover is really cool, but the other one is more likely to be long-term identified with the product as it's the one that would go into most game stores.

If the goal is to advertise the game, it might be better to advertise the cover that everyone else gets to see. :wink:
Well my take would be to get people interested who might not know much about gaming. I could easily see the metal cover tshirt hanging in one of the music stores around town. I'm sure if I wore it around Austin, I would get questions about what band that is or if its a Motorhead tshirt. Then I can tell them about this awesome game... In the end, I think either strategy works. So, make both!

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Post by Scott Kellogg » Sat May 26, 2012 8:34 am

Offical t-shirts, please.

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Post by ctaylor » Sat May 26, 2012 8:53 am

I'd drool heavily for an official dice set. I mean heavily.

The PDF with individual spells per page sounds useful.

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Post by onearmspence » Sat May 26, 2012 4:22 pm

I'll love to see the GM screen!

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Post by Vanguard » Sat May 26, 2012 4:27 pm

I too want the GM screen. The inner panels could be the official index plus some basic, handy tables (fumbles, equipment, etc).
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Post by Colin » Sat May 26, 2012 5:27 pm

I'd want:

1) A 14-piece official dice set (yellow or blue with red numbers, like the cover or DCC logo). 14-piece (not 12!) because that's:
d3 (a d6 numbered 1-3 twice), d4, d5 (a d10 numbered 1-5 twice), d6, d7 (a d14 numbered 1-7 twice), d8, d10, d%*, d12, d14, d16, d20, d24, and d30! 12-piece indeed! For shame, Fin! :P
* or at least 2 x d10s
2) The spellbook pdf.

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Post by TheNobleDrake » Sat May 26, 2012 6:30 pm

RAD Colin wrote:A 14-piece official dice set (yellow or blue with red numbers, like the cover or DCC logo). 14-piece (not 12!) because that's:
d3 (a d6 numbered 1-3 twice), d4, d5 (a d10 numbered 1-5 twice), d6, d7 (a d14 numbered 1-7 twice), d8, d10, d%*, d12, d14, d16, d20, d24, and d30! 12-piece indeed! For shame, Fin! :P
* or at least 2 x d10s
I'd rather see a set that includes the "weird" shaped d3 & d5, and that either only has a d14 numbered 1-7 twice in two different number colors or a d14 and the "weird" shaped d7 - to more expediently pick up the correct die while playing... sometimes, when in a rush, I already grab the wrong die.

And I'd love for the set to be d3, d4, d5, 3d6, d7, d8, d10, d12, d14, d16, d20, d24, d30, d100 - 16 piece, if I counted correctly.

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Post by finarvyn » Sat May 26, 2012 6:37 pm

RAD Colin wrote:d3 (a d6 numbered 1-3 twice), d4, d5 (a d10 numbered 1-5 twice), d6, d7 (a d14 numbered 1-7 twice), d8, d10, d%*, d12, d14, d16, d20, d24, and d30! 12-piece indeed! For shame, Fin! :P
Ah, I stand ... er, sit corrected. :P

Clearly I wasn't reaching high enough in my wish list!
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Post by RevTurkey » Thu May 31, 2012 7:00 am

DCC RPG 'Soap On A Rope' please!

To be handed out at your local gaming store for the smelly & unwashed.

It's like a raid when I go to mine. In and out as fast as possible. The people stink.

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Post by finarvyn » Thu May 31, 2012 9:30 am

RevTurkey wrote:DCC RPG 'Soap On A Rope' please! To be handed out at your local gaming store for the smelly & unwashed.
Clearly you've gone to gaming conventions. I hadn't thought of DCC soap, but now that you mention it we probably need it more than more dice. I can "fake it" with dice I already own, but it's harder to "fake it" with soap. :wink:
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Post by fuel » Thu May 31, 2012 9:47 am

I agree with the 14 piece dice set. Please have Chessex do it. I am not really feeling the Gamescience dice. I don't mind the funky dice, I just don't like filling in my own numbers and filing off sprues, especially for the high price. And I don't think they are THAT much more random. Too some degree, yes, but not worth the pain in the ass it is to ink them. Please, please, have Chessex do an official set of DCC dice. Red and blue and maybe black and gold.

A spell book would be nice, as would the GM screen. Also, the Motörhead-esque T-shirt would be cool. I also would like a Pantheon of Patrons. I hate to sound lazy and unimaginative, but I am not 12 anymore and the more aids I have to flesh things out the better. I just don't have the time like I used to.

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Post by Vanguard » Thu May 31, 2012 9:57 am

How about dice-shaped soap?
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Post by RevTurkey » Thu May 31, 2012 10:04 am

Only ever been to one convention. I think it was 1987ish

Reading University U.K

Had a blast. No idea what it was? Gencon UK maybe? No idea :D

The people smelled okay from what I remember but maybe that was the last time they washed?

I played... AD&D, Mega Fantasy, Spanish Main, Railroad Tycoon (i think)...i can't remember the rest lol.

Much to my parents protest, at 14/15 yrs old I went with good old Peter, Steve (i refuse to acknowledge any game but AD&D) & Barbara (my Pony will drop from the tree to backstab that Orc) who looked after me. Happy days and no stench.

The new generation of gamers need DCC soap and maybe a quick crop spray.

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Post by finarvyn » Thu May 31, 2012 2:32 pm

RevTurkey wrote:The people smelled okay from what I remember but maybe that was the last time they washed?
The gamer stereotype for conventions includes:
1) Must wear black t-shirt.
2) Must have backpack.
3) Must be unwashed.

A note on #3 -- what I've found is that gamers are typically fine early in the convention but tend to get ripe as the con progresses, particularly if they stay up late playing and then turn around to play in an early game the next day. Toward the end of a convention it can get pretty nasty, probably because some folks stay indoors for 4 days straight. :wink:
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Post by Colin » Thu May 31, 2012 2:36 pm

fuel wrote:Also, the Motörhead-esque T-shirt would be cool.
Providing the big image is on the back, and the front has a simple DCC logo on the left breast.

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Post by Rhino » Thu May 31, 2012 3:08 pm

I would really like a deluxe GMs Screen with some of that awesome art.

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Post by shadewest » Thu May 31, 2012 5:19 pm

A friend of mine had an idea for convention goers that I thought was brilliant. Set up a couple of booth babes at strategic points in the convention. The first one sprays the attendee with febreeze, the second with Axe.
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Post by TheNobleDrake » Thu May 31, 2012 5:55 pm

shadewest wrote:A friend of mine had an idea for convention goers that I thought was brilliant. Set up a couple of booth babes at strategic points in the convention. The first one sprays the attendee with febreeze, the second with Axe.
The first half isn't a bad idea... the second... I'd rather smell pits and sweaty butt smell than Axe.

It would be much more beneficial in my experience, both to my sensitive olfactory and to the poorly washed fellows chances at being like by ladies, if the 2nd booth were to spray them down with gummybear body spray.

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Post by RevTurkey » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:44 am

A Super Deluxe Dm Screen with Febreeze dispenser and deoderant holder?
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Post by finarvyn » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:19 am

Rhino wrote:I would really like a deluxe GMs Screen with some of that awesome art.
This is a good point. There is so much cool artwork in the DCC rulebook that it would be a shame not to plaster a bunch of it on the outside of a GM screen.
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