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Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by Argamae » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:26 am

As it turns out Paizo Publishing (Pathfinder, GameMastery) will release a special Pathfinder-RPG based off of the 3.5 rules, thereby keeping the rules in circulation. An alpha version of their rulebook (scheduled for August 2009) is available for download from their homepage.

Since I am one who will not switch to 4E I find this announcement quite appealing. On the other hand this move seems quite daring if not downright foolhardy. Will there be enough 3.5 fans to keep the sales up? What do you think about this?
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Post by Cardinal » Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:59 am

the alpha playtest files sure look nice - and they may open up this Pathfinder RPG to other companies!!!

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Post by trancejeremy » Fri Mar 21, 2008 7:22 pm

Well, the trouble (IMHO) is that it's not 3.5, but closer to 3.75. That reduces its appeal to me.

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Post by Hybban » Mon Mar 24, 2008 8:16 am

trancejeremy wrote:Well, the trouble (IMHO) is that it's not 3.5, but closer to 3.75. That reduces its appeal to me.
That is exactly what I was thinking. I am one the guys that think DD4 will be fun to play. I don't give a d... that it is called DnD or whatever. I like the rules they have proposed so far.

But the idea of being able to go on with 3.5 was nice too, especially for all my DCC modules and being able to play them with new players that could have bought another core books for them. But it won't be 3.5.

And instead of creating another 3.75 core book, why not use one already published, with fans waiting for that (like Arcana Evolved, Iron Heroes, True 20, C&C, Book of experimental might, etc.)

Paizo are great module/campaign writers, but this decision is strange.

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Post by moriarty777 » Mon Mar 24, 2008 5:11 pm

Hybban wrote:<snip>
Paizo are great module/campaign writers, but this decision is strange.

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On the contrary... I think the decision makes perfect sense. As soon as 4th Ed is out, you can bet that WOTC won't be printing anymore of the 3.5 books (if they haven't stopped already). They're just making sure that their is some sort of rule book which is in print for their endeavors.

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Post by Hybban » Mon Mar 24, 2008 6:28 pm

moriarty777 wrote: On the contrary... I think the decision makes perfect sense. As soon as 4th Ed is out, you can bet that WOTC won't be printing anymore of the 3.5 books (if they haven't stopped already). They're just making sure that their is some sort of rule book which is in print for their endeavors.

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Sure, if they were really sticking to 3.5. But Pathfinder is fa from 3.5, it's as close than Arcana Evolved, Iron Heroes or Book of Experimental Might. Maening that all your 3.5 books won't have a place in PRPG. I'd go with Monte cook if I wanna stay close to 3.5. But I'll go with Goodman and 4th editition :)

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Post by joela » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:11 pm

Hybban wrote:
moriarty777 wrote: Sure, if they were really sticking to 3.5. But Pathfinder is fa from 3.5, it's as close than Arcana Evolved, Iron Heroes or Book of Experimental Might.
AE and IH are variant PHs while BoXM provides optional rules from Cook's campaign that DMs can incorporate into their games. PRPG, or 3P, is being designed to replace the Core books once WotC stops publishing them.
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Post by tadk » Sun Mar 30, 2008 5:49 pm

I am not going to 4.0
Heck I didnt go to 3.5 I stayed at 3.0

So I like what I am seeing so far in 3.75
Heck I mostly just use Modern anyways if I am going to game regular d20 anyways
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Post by The Desert Yeti » Thu Apr 03, 2008 4:05 pm

I think that IF Paizo manages to stick to their stated goal of backward compatibility with 3.5, such that those who want to do so can run Paizo's adventures using their old 3.5 books, it's a fantastic idea.

Tough to say at this point whether or not it's a good decision from a business standpoint, but simply as a gamer, I applaud it and look forward to seeing how they iron out the final release with such a massive "play test."
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Post by trancejeremy » Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:46 pm

Well, compatability is a somewhat nebulous thing. Almost anything can be compatable with something else, depending on how much work you do as GM. As is, based on the Alpha rules, it will be less compatible than 3.5 was to 3.0 (and vice-versa).

Anyway, I don't see that they had a lot of choice. Since WOTC hasn't even produced a GSL for companies to look at, to see what they can or can't do for 4e, much less the rules themselves, they were in a pretty tight situation.

Most other d20 companies jumped ship to their own systems long ago, seeing this coming. And some, like Necromancer, are basically part time companies (they don't even publish stuff themselves, but use other companies). But Paizo has several full time employees.

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Post by tacojohn4547 » Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:02 am

trancejeremy wrote:Well, compatability is a somewhat nebulous thing. Almost anything can be compatable with something else, depending on how much work you do as GM. As is, based on the Alpha rules, it will be less compatible than 3.5 was to 3.0 (and vice-versa).
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Well stated! :D

Despite conventional wisdom to the contrary, material for all of the later versions of D&D (AD&D 1st Edition, AD&D 2nd Edition, D&D 3.0, 3.5 Ed) can be converted back to OD&D or any previous version, if one is willing to 'invest' the time and effort to do so. :)

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Post by Hybban » Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:38 am

Yeah it's a question of the level of compatibility you want. Some DD3.x PNJ have some strange classes. For old D&D versions or C&C, you just have to do with...

But if the wizard 5/rogue 5/Arcane Trickster 5 (and I only use SRD classes) becomes an Illusionist 12 in C&C with spells used for rogue actions, I will consider my conversion is good enough.

I think that using paizo's stuff and other publishers' stuff together won't be 'much' of a problem. Some monster may be stronger, some waeker, some classes or races may require some additional work, but as long as everybody have fun...

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Post by Seben-PistonRager » Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:46 am

yeah... From what i can tell the real reason they are putting it out is to make money since a lot of people are reacting very badly to 4th ed.
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Post by Hybban » Fri Apr 04, 2008 6:59 am

Seben-PistonRager wrote:yeah... From what i can tell the real reason they are putting it out is to make money since a lot of people are reacting very badly to 4th ed.
I hope they want to make money. When you see what happended to WEG... They are not here to live on fresh air :)

There seems to be a market. People want to go on using their 3.5 books because they have invested hundreds (thousands?) of dollar on them. I understand that. Paizo wants to give these players what they want, and that is good.

But when the 4th edition will be out for several months, if the content is appealing to the masses and if Paizo is too far from being completely compatible, and mostly when the 'it's new, it's great' effect will have worn off, will see if their idea was good.

What is great is that with Necromancer, they will still publish 4th edition material :)

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Post by Seben-PistonRager » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:56 am

eh... I'm very excited for 4th ed...

and hopefully the guy in my group that is ancy about it will like it more after this weeks game(we'll be doing another one of the premade 4th ed dungeon beat'em ups) And he's one of those obsessive need to buy all the third party game stuff, kinda guys. Though he is the one that started the group on playing Dragonmech, so at least that wasn't bad...
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Re: Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by PeelSeel2 » Mon Apr 28, 2008 5:14 pm

Flaky decision for them. Won't work. Too bad for them.

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Re: Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by Stile De Mornay » Sat May 24, 2008 3:14 pm

I would suggest folks to check out the new Alpha 3 they just released. It's not any more different than a splat book imo...

Some of the skills they've combined makes sense.. some don't.

I like the added features for the classes.

They changed some other things, like getting +1 HP if you in your favored class.

It isn't that different.

They produce great adventures and I'm glad they're sticking with 3.5 (in a sense.)

Even better.. they're sticking with 3.5 without their version until August 09 - which is when they'll publish their Pathfinder RPG.

Just my thoughts...

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Re: Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by Jengenritz » Sat May 24, 2008 3:49 pm

I liked what I've seen for Pathfinder...most of the changes are welcome and well-done.
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Re: Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by Jonathan_Shade » Thu Jun 19, 2008 10:49 am

I haven't been up to date with Pathfinder products for a long time, been GM'ing 2nd edition for years now. But I did take a look at Pathfinder RPG and I do like what I see. I am really impressed by the class features, and "fixes" they claim are in 3.x. Grapple rules are excellent. It is really worth the look and decide if it is what your group would enjoy.

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Re: Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by Knight of Roses » Wed Jul 01, 2009 8:26 am

I am quite excited about Pathfinder and I imagine my game with become some sort of nightmarish 3.x/Pathfinder hybrid once the rules are officially out . . .
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Re: Paizo sticks to 3.5 for Pathfinder

Post by Kodyax » Sun May 23, 2010 9:37 pm

I have been a loyal fan of Paizo for many years. Pathfinder to me is what 4E should have been.

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